Francis Thynne

British antiquary and officer of arms (c.1544–1608)

Francis Thynne (c. 1544 – 1608) was an English antiquary and an officer of arms at the College of Arms.

Family background and early life

Francis Thynne was born in Kent, the son of William Thynne, who was Master of the Household of King Henry VIII. He attended Tonbridge School.

Career

Francis Thynne was an antiquary before being admitted to the College of Arms after several fruitless applications. He was finally appointed Blanche Lyon Pursuivant of Arms Extraordinary in 1602, the first instance of this office being "extraordinary". Immediately after this appointment, he was promoted to Lancaster Herald of Arms in Ordinary.

He had an eventful life, having been imprisoned for more than two years as a debtor and crippled with gout for much of his life. He was known to have assisted William Camden in his heraldic work and was recommended by Sir William Dethick for eventual promotion to the office of Norroy King of Arms. This promotion never occurred, and Thynne died circa November 1608. His arms were those of Botfield (his family's original name) and were blazoned Barry of ten Or and Sable.[1]

Thynne's main importance is as an antiquary who formed part of the Elizabethan Society of Antiquaries, which was active between 1586 and about 1607.[2] They aimed to "construct a detailed and credible account of the origins and development of the English people".[3] This club of lawyers, heralds and antiquarians largely consulted records in Latin but Thynne was remarkable for his ability to read Old English (Anglo-Saxon) sources. Archbishop Matthew Parker had initiated the searches of the libraries of dissolved monasteries, primarily to find evidence for the historical singularity of the English Church, free from Rome.[4] However, the small circle of scholars he employed largely ceased research after his death, whilst his manuscripts disappeared into university college libraries. Apart from Henry Savile's "poorly-executed" chronicles (1598), no further Anglo-Saxon texts were published until L'Isle's Saxon Treatise (1623) and Wheelock's edition of Bede's Historiae ecclesiasticae gentis Anglorum (1644).[5][6] What is remarkable about Thynne is that he and only a few other antiquaries were mastering the Anglo-Saxon language. The evidence for this comes from the published volumes of the proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries, where references are made to charters and other documents written in Old English.[7] In a 1591 discussion on the origins of English shires, Thynne, together with James Ley and Thomas Talbot, display reasonable knowledge of Old English.

Thynne was perhaps the most scholarly of the antiquaries: "His work on Anglo-Saxon and medieval chronicles was solid and factual, based on his firm belief in the accuracy of the original manuscripts."[8] For example, only he quotes Textus Roffensis. No one in Parker's circle had known of its existence and it did not appear in print until 1644. Thynne used it in a 1604 discourse on the office of Earl Marshal, accurately transcribing the sentence from Peace (pax), "Ðus feor sceal beon þæs cinges grið fram his burhgeate, þær he is sittende, on feower healfe his, ðæt is III mila 7 III furlang 7 III æcera bræde 7 IX fota 7 IX scæftamunda 7 IX berecorna." Thynne thought he was quoting a law of Æthelstan, not unreasonably, since it immediately follows the law-codes V and VI Æthelstan in Textus Roffensis. However, Peace is really an extension of Æthelred's Wantage Code which, given its use of what are now known to be Scandinavian loan-words, such as grið ('peace',) was probably intended for use in the Danelaw. Thynne thought this was some kind of official term, and such misunderstandings were inevitable when he was having to learn the language with almost no support and certainly no publicly available grammar or gloss. He mostly relied on Ælfric's Grammar and Glossary and his Colloquy which, intended as teaching aids for Latin, might also be used in reverse; the manuscripts of legal and religious texts available in Latin and English versions, and the few printed works to provide some Old English words or parallel texts.

If Thynne saw Textus Roffensis, then he travelled to Rochester to see it. That is another unusual aspect of his activities. He travelled to see manuscripts, not only in Rochester but also in Winchester and in various gentlemen's private libraries in and around London. For example, his various references to William of Malmesbury's Gesta Regum Anglorum suggest he viewed the collection either of John Stow (who had worked on an edition of Chaucer with Thynne's father in the 1530s) or of John, Lord Lumley.[9]

Thynne was not wealthy. He "spent his life in libraries and his study".[10] He failed to complete several manuscripts and the papers he read to the Society of Antiquaries contain only glimpses of his thoughts and interests. His "significance lies in the manuscripts he collected, transcribed, and translated",[11] but his most impressive achievement was to help keep the study of Old English alive after its shaky revival by Parker's circle.


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 Family tree summary for the Thynnes of Longleat from about 1500[12]
Ralph Botevile[13]
Thomas Thynne[13]William Thynne[13][14]
d. 1546
John Thynne of Longleat[15]
c. 1515–1580
Francis Thynne[14]
c. 1544–1608
John Thynneof Longleat[16]
1555–1604
Charles Thynne[17]
c. 1568–1652
Thomas Thynne of Longleat[18]
c. 1578–1639
Baronet of Caus Castle, of Kempsford in the County of Gloucester, 1641
James of Longleat[19]
1605–1670
Thomas of Richmond[20]
d. 1669
Henry Frederick Thynne
1615–1680
1st Baronet of Kempsford
Baron Thynne, 1680
Viscount Weymouth, 1682
Thomas of Longleat,[21]
1648–1682
Thomas Thynne[22]
1640–1714
inherited Longleat, 1682
1st Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
2nd Baronet of Kempsford
James Thynne of Buckland
d. 1709
Henry Thynne Frederick
d. 1705
unmarried
Henry Thynne[23]
1675–1708
Thomas Thynne d. 1710
two daughters but no sons
Thomas Thynne[24]
1710–1751
2nd Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
3rd Baronet of Kempsford
Marquess of Bath, 1789Baron Carteret (2nd creation), 1784
Thomas Thynne[25]
1734–1796
1st Marquess of Bath,
3rd Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
4th Baronet of Kempsford
Henry Carteret[26]
1735–1826
1st Baron Carteret
Thomas Thynne[27]
1765–1837
2nd Marquess of Bath,
4th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
5th Baronet of Kempsford
George Thynne
1770–1838
2nd Baron Carteret
John Thynne
1772–1849
3rd Baron Carteret
Baron Carteret extinct, 1849
Henry Thynne
[28]
1797–1837
3rd Marquess of Bath,
5th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
6th Baronet of Kempsford
Edward Thynne
1807–1884
Lady Charlotte Anne Thynne
1811–1895
marr.: Walter Montagu Douglas Scott, Duke of Buccleuch and had issue.
John Thynne[29]
1831–1896
4th Marquess of Bath,
6th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
7th Baronet of Kempsford
Henry Thynne
1832–1904
Thomas Thynne
1862–1946
5th Marquess of Bath,
7th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
8th Baronet of Kempsford
Ulric Oliver Thynne
1871–1957
Henry Thynne
1905–1992
6th Marquess of Bath,
8th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
9th Baronet of Kempsford
Thomas Timothy Thynne
1929–1930
Alexander George Thynn
1930–2020
7th Marquess of Bath,
9th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
10th Baronet of Kempsford
Christopher John Thynne
1934–2017
Valentine Charles Thynne
1937–1979
Ceawlin Thynn
b. 1974
8th Marquess of Bath,
10th Viscount Weymouth and Baron Thynne,
11th Baronet of Kempsford
Lucien Henry Valentine Thynne
b. 1965
John Alexander Ladi Thynn
b. 2014
styled Viscount Weymouth

References

  1. ^ British Armorial Bindings: Thynne or Botfield (Stamp 1), University of Toronto Libraries, accessed 16 Dec 2017. The "rose for difference" indicates this stamp is of the family arms of a cousin of Francis Thynne in his uncle's branch of the family.
  2. ^ Christina DeCoursey, "Society of Antiquaries (act. 1586–1607)", Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004; online edn, May 2015 accessed 7 Dec 2016
  3. ^ John Niles, The Idea of Anglo-Saxon England, 1066–1901: Remembering, Forgetting, Deciphering and Renewing the Past (Chichester, 2015), 78
  4. ^ Timothy Graham, "Matthew Parker's manuscripts: an Elizabethan library and its use", in E. Leedham-Green & T. Webber, The Cambridge History of Libraries in Britain and Ireland,1: To 1640 (Cambridge, 2006), 335
  5. ^ R. D. Goulding, "Savile, Sir Henry (1549–1622)", oxforddnb.com/view/article/24737.
  6. ^ Niles, The Idea of Anglo-Saxon England, pp. 110–116.
  7. ^ Thomas Hearne, A Collection of Curious Discourses written by Eminent Antiquaries upon Several Heads in our English Antiquities (London, 1773: expanded 2-volume edition of 1720 original)
  8. ^ Knafla 2010.
  9. ^ Parker's manuscripts of Gesta Regum in Corpus Christi, Cambridge are unlikely to have been available to Thynne. More likely are any of the London, BL, manuscripts:
    • Add MS 23147 (the catalogue states: "f. 42 John Stow, Historian: Note in a copy of William of Malmesbury's Gesta Regum")
    • Add Ch 23147 ("In the margin are numerous notes in a XVIth cent. hand, and at f. 42 a note by John Stow")
    • Royal MS 13 D V, then belonging to Lumley
    Cotton MS Vespasian A V, ff 73r–77v, a few extracts copied by Lambarde, only arrived in Cotton's collection after Lambarde's death in 1601. Barrett Beer, "Stow, John (1524/5–1605)", oxforddnb.com/view/article/26611. Kathryn Barron, "Lumley, John, first Baron Lumley (c.1533–1609)", oxforddnb.com/view/article/17179
  10. ^ Knafla 2010.
  11. ^ Knafla 2010.
  12. ^ Burke, Sir Bernard, (1938 ed) Burke's Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage. Shaw, London. p. 243
  13. ^ a b c Woodfall, H. (1768). The Peerage of England; Containing a Genealogical and Historical Account of All the Peers of that Kingdom Etc. Fourth Edition, Carefully Corrected, and Continued to the Present Time, Volume 6. p. 258.
  14. ^ a b Lee, Sidney; Edwards, A. S. G. (revised) (2004). "Thynne, William (d. 1546)". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/27426. (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)
  15. ^ Girouard, Mark, Thynne, Sir John (1515–1580), estate manager and builder of Longleat in Oxford Dictionary of Biography (Oxford University Press, 2004)
  16. ^ Booth, Muriel. "Thynne, John (?1550–1604), of Longleat, Wilt". History of Parliament. The History of Parliament Trust. Retrieved 2 January 2016.
  17. ^ Lancaster, Henry; Thrush, Andrew. "Thynne, Charles (c.1568–1652), of Cheddar, So". History of Parliament. The History of Parliament Trust. Retrieved 2 January 2016.
  18. ^ Pugh, R. B.; Crittall, Elizabeth, eds. (1957). "Parliamentary history: 1529–1629". A History of the County of Wiltshire. Vol. 5. London: Victoria County History – via British History Online.
  19. ^ Ferris, John P. "Thynne, Sir James (c.1605-70), of Longbridge Deverill, Wilt". History of Parliament. The History of Parliament Trust. Retrieved 2 January 2016.
  20. ^ Helms, M. W.; Ferris, John P. "Thynne, Sir Thomas (c.1610–c.69), of Richmond, Sur". History of Parliament. The History of Parliament Trust. Retrieved 2 January 2016.
  21. ^ Marshall, Alan (2008) [2004]. "Thynne, Thomas [nicknamed Tom of Ten Thousand] (1647/8–1682)". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/27423. (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)
  22. ^ Heath-Caldwell, J. J. "Thomas Thynne, 1st Marquess of Bath, 3rd Viscount Weymouth". JJ Heath-Caldwell. Retrieved 2 January 2016.
  23. ^ Hayton, D. W. "Thynne, Hon. Henry (1675-1708)". The History of Parliament. The History of Parliament Trust. Retrieved 2 January 2016.
  24. ^ Dunaway, Stewart (2013). Lord John Carteret, Earl Granville: His Life History and the Granville Grants. Lulu. p. 33. ISBN 9781300878070.
  25. ^ "Bath, Thomas Thynne". Encyclopedia Britannica 1911. Retrieved 2 January 2016.
  26. ^ Thorne, Roland. "Carteret [formerly Thynne], Henry Frederick". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Retrieved 2 January 2016.
  27. ^ "Thomas Thynne, 2nd Marquess of Bath (1765–1837)". National Portrait Gallery. Retrieved 2 January 2016.
  28. ^ Escott, Margaret. "Thynne, Lord Henry Frederick (1797-1837), of 6 Grovesnor Square, Md". History of Parliament. The History of Parliament Trust. Retrieved 2 January 2016.
  29. ^ "John Thynne, 4th Marquess of Bath (1831-1896), Diplomat and landowner". National Portrait Gallery. Retrieved 2 January 2016.

Further reading

  • Knafla, Louis A. (2010) [2004]. "Thynne, Francis (1545?–1608)". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/27420. (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)

External links

  • Works by Francis Thynne at Project Gutenberg
  • Works by or about Francis Thynne at Internet Archive
  • Hutchinson, John (1892). "Francis Thynne" . Men of Kent and Kentishmen (Subscription ed.). Canterbury: Cross & Jackman. p. 133.
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